Huzzah another Heroic down….!!!
SR we do things in the wrong order….
Things that other normal guild do and do well. SR flounders. Things/fights other guilds may save/do later – SR does well. Also clearing vent clear for the most part and keeping a strict order, and ONE person calling it out helped out a lot. Also healers (go Zarm and Vanicus) did an awesome job communicating when they needed to swap etc! Nice healing Arv even with tormented. Nice job DPS!
Heroic Baleroc down – one of the more difficult Heroic fights downed! It’s funny….if slackers would post their SS!! (/glare Rep and Lyssi) Poor arv 😛
This brings SR to 7th overall on Drak – It’s nice to see SR in the top 10. I know we will never be leading/cutting edge progression but it is nice for the epeen.
Plan for next week – Heroic Shannox and Baleroc again. Then Heroic Domo.
Of course more Diablo news, as it should be.
Expansion news – I have a gut feeling it could go either way for MoP or something totally new. I have doubts as MoP being a browser game as I don’t see Blizz putting resources into such a niche game. I am glad for the lack of leaks this year.
I doubt a new hero class – I think Blizz learned their lessen from trying to balance such a thing. If they were to add a new class I think they would have to work their way up just like everyone else imo. Monk seems like a good choice – given the route if they go MoP.
I think it is interesting to note a whole panel on talent trees – if the expansion does raise the lvl cap…the current point values will be thrown into chaos. So I predict another revamp once again. This would be a good chance to str/nerf/alter as needed for Blizz. Perhaps maybe even a chance to differentiate PVE and PVP.
As far as race – maybe both sides gets Pandas? Just like how the high elves and the blood elves are split. Night Elves and Naga. Darkspear Trolls and other Trolls. Humans/Gilneans. It could be feasible that the Pandarans are not as unified as we believe.
However, I think it would be one or the other – Class or Race – not both. As far as letting more races be other classes, I do not really see a reason for the class restrictions at this point. Except for the rare obvious ones – forsaken druids? Dranei druids? Belf shamans? Belf Druids?
More SC2 news but to be honest, I am lukewarm on that.
What is it about randomness that I dislike.
1.) lack of control over an outcome
2.) no direction
Lack of Control/no direction/chaos
With my personality, I dislike anything that takes control from my hands. I dislike a direction or focus, and choas is never fun when trying to figure things out.
Those three reasons alone make the Rhyolith fight, normal or heroic versions, a real pet peeve. I appreciate Blizzard for their design of the fight, but those reasons alone take away any fun in the fight.
What one can control is the direction he moves and one can predict when the adds will spawn.
Which volcano is active vs inactive is a pain. This is not fun, much like RNG loot drops. Other bosses, which may pick a random player to do something, is not bad and not as annoying, but for some reason the volcano thing really irritates me.
Other fights in firelands so far are designed much better in my opinion. They are some degrees of randomness, which thru player interaction can help overcome it. Walking a giant into volcanoes is freakin annoying. Other boss mechanics which are random are short and not the major drive in the fight. The volcano activating is the entire freakin fight, it’s like fighting a giant slot machine. Randomness is not a good drive in encounter design, and vice versa neither is a fight that is easy to predict everything. Some element of randomness/chaos is needed.
4.3 PTR thoughts
I am not one for looking aroud in there, but reading the thoughts of those who have, I have to say I am positive about the encounters so far. Mixture of scripting and randomness with some uniqueness here and there. One thing I am not positive about is the length of the raid. 7 bosses? This is not enough to keep people entertained, engaged till the next expansion.
With SWTOR right around the corner, Blizzard will want something MORE to keep people engaged. Like others I have spoken to, I would hope Blizzard is planning a Sunwell type raid to keep people in WoW.
With other games on the horizon, WoW will need to do something if it wishes to be the dominant force in the MMO world. It cannot sit on it’s haunches for too long (which I feel EQ did) or change the same to something that people may not want to play (EQ2) . With games ilke SWTOR, GW2, The Secret World, etc. and the whole F2P model Blizzard needs to do something more.
I think Blizzard is doing something good with listening to the player’s wants (like transmog) but they need to do some more quality of life improvements. The transmog idea is really an old idea – games like Aion and LOTRO already have it in some form.
I know Blizzard does not like the idea for some reason but Player/Guild housing would so something to keep people in the game. Keeping people engaged by giving them something to take pride in an develop is a good idea. Endgame characters are more then “purplz”. Having them do quests, maybe PvP or other things to earn points or something to purchase things to decorate or allow them to make trophies of memorable fights would be a nice QOL addition. I know in FFXI, players had a moghouse to decorate and although I was not super crazy about it, I did take pride in at least decorating it. 🙂 It was also cool that SE listened to players and allowed people to invite friend to visit your moghouse.
F2P vs Sub – blizzard really needs to keep WoW somewhat fresh to combat the F2P model. games that have swapped to a F2P model – Age of Conan and LOTRO I have to admit are done quite well. Lots of QOL things to keep casual to hardcore people involved and a non-intrusive cash shop.
WoW needs more QoL additions to it – not just more purplz and raids. MMOs are not a console game, it is an interactive social game, and that is what Blizzard I feel has forgotten when seeing the $$$ signs. Sitting around in Org/SW is not the best way to treat is’s customer base. Also relying on it’s popularity as it being “Warcraft” is getting old for many.
I know when it comes to lore, game mechanics must go beyond lore. What gets me is all the lore they tend to ignore.
Why not do more with faction leaders? Why are they stagnant figureheads….if i wanted that you could hire Waldo for that. Why are there not scenarios designed involving them more? I know there are some not feeling the PvP, but for those that are why not on PvP servers have a daily quest to kill faction leaders? (Could still be on PvE servers as well) Taking it a step further, to make sure the enemies capital is weakened (i.e guards) why not make it if the enemy faction capture certain certification on route to a city the # of guards/their str is weakened/while providing a buff to the attackers? Also design more BG with an empahsis on faction leaders, give them a chance to show their stuff.
Also with lore…why are not more things taken from lore? They are doing some things with the new 5 mans in 4.3, but why not expand upon the titans? Queen Azshara? Hell, I know we are all sick of Trolls – but what about Zandrazi or however one spells that.
As much as I am a horde at heart, where is the alliance love? Why nothing for dranei after BC??? Where is the alliance influence? Specifically on the human front…..I admit when playing the RTS I loved playing the humans. Where is the pride of the humans…why are they hiding behind the flag of SW, there are still some human nations out there, and where is the last heir to Lordaeron? Arthas’ sister? They brought back Gilneas…where are the others…. >< SW cannot expect to be the last bastion of humanity, there were so many other ones out there.
And most importantly – USE high overlord Saurfang more! He is much more badass then Garrosh. I understand the need for him, but he is nothing like what I imagined the “true” orcs from Nagrand would be. Sure they are more primitive etc, but they are not warmongering fools….
I am not for bringing back Thrall as Warchief – he did what he had to but is more of a character to bring about bigger things for Azeroth, but I am not sure Garrosh is quite right. Likewise, develop someone for the Alliance to along the lines like Thrall. Varian could have done it, but is too much like Garrosh, Jaina is too whiny, Greymane too old etc. The Alliance really needs a big personalilty that could draw the alliance together like thrall did for the horde. The alliance is too much disjointed to make a real push against the horde if all out war happened. The Alliance is too full of distrust with one another IMO, and again they do not have a shining star to say like Thrall.
Again WoW suffers from too much biasness, much like Warhammer did imo.
But enough rambling – H Rhyolith going down tonight!
Nerfs, now this is not going to be about normal nerfs you can read about that all over the place.
But Shadow Rising is now 7/7 big mean old fire dude is “dead” onto Heroics!
Now even the Firelands Heroics have gotten about a 15% nerf, even nerfed they are a decent enough challenge still, because Normal Firelands is a zzzzzzzzz fest. (exception being rag). If you are not handling mechanics prepare to have a large repair bill!
1st Heroic tried – Shannon errrr Shannox
A few things Repgrind mentioned a few. The damage he deals is quite a bit more, but nothing that couldn’t be healed.
The issues that arose was the handling of the stacks. Each hit that rageface deals increases his damage by quite a bit, this is a the new to the heroic version of the fight. Like in normal, tanks still have to deal with jagged tear.
Borrowing an idea from Khizzara we had the raid line up much like they did and had the raid move as a whole when needed. It took 9 wipes, killed on the 10th pull, but each for the most part was improvement.
It really just took getting used to resetting stacks and having the raid move. Also important is the “rageface” kiters be on their toes. Also one thing to note, if your riplimb tank needs a breather, burn Riplimb down, by the time your raid may want to he will be at 50% around 2mil HP from 4 mil. It will allow your healers 30 seconds of not having to worry about that tank too much and 30 seconds that your tank can even help hitting Shannox lol. Having only one tank to worry about resetting jagged tear can help out a lot. Also for 30 seconds or so all the traps can be used on Rageface.
SR rules! Awesome job on Shannon. Too bad he dropped bad loot!
Then we went and facerolled Beth’tilac, Alyzrazor. We did put a few shots on heroic Rhyolith just to see how it is. To be honest it is not that bad, he is next.
But for tonight on the agenda is Heroic Baleroc and Majordomo.
Differences between normal and heroic – watch out as you can pass tormented onto other players. 2nd he can also cast countdown on 2 random people, if they do not come within 4 yds of one another – boom goes the raid. What sucks about this is the 2 people chosen and one of them has the tormented debuff and/or are soaking a crystal. Also of note, he has increased HP and still the very short 6 min enrage timer. Appears with 7 DPS – each DPS will need to average about 22.5K DPS + 6K from the tank (thanks adoe for the maths!) Looks like fun, according to Adoe….
Majordomo – I think we will try the no flame scythes and all cats strat. This will entail on all DPS avoiding as much damage as they can to keep concentration high. It seems easy on paper but having to deal with the flame orbs will be the main issue. People will need to not stack directly close/on the orb so if they have to leave from getting a leap, the fire is not on the orb, so someone can still get close and soak it.
Even nerfed, heroics can still provide some challenge, probably not as much as prenerf, but for now I will take them over the “lootship” normal firelands fights (minus rag :P)
• Shannox, Beth’tilac, Rhyolith – health and damage reduced by 15%.
Did these three…really need anymore nerfing?
• Other bosses – health and damage reduced by 25%.
• All adds’ health and damage have been reduced in the same proportions as bosses.
• Hellhounds and Unstable Magma deal much less damage.
the damage trash put out was quite ridiculous.
• Alysrazor’s Fiery Tornados move slower.
Cool i guess?
• The Wings of Flame buff duration on Alysrazor is now uniformly 30 seconds.
Still hate flying!
• Alysrazor drops 1 additional feather for 10-player mode and 2 additional feathers for 25-player mode in all cycles.
Not really needed…?
• Wrath of Ragnaros in Stage 1 now knocks targets up, but not back.
This is kinda cool, but you really should not be standing in front of a fire trap….
So Firelands…nerfed quite a bit 15-25% Really does take a bite out of the ferocity of the FL…maybe we should call it the Not so Hot Firelands…
But that being said…if you still cannot deal with mechanics…you are still not going to down bosses, no matter the nerf. But to those who can deal with them….well…have those peggle addons installed!
3 new 5 mans…must be done in order the 1st time. Sounds interesting, but will get old.
LFR – meh…this is not going to be pretty.
T13 in raids only – i like the idea, but I dont like how one can still obtain a lower version of it in LFR…looks like the min/maxer I am (when it comes to my priest) may have to jump into the LFR fray!
2 healing is it a punishment for a job well done?
At times it does feel like it is…and I can understand that. You get thru the encounter for the 1st time 3 healing it, that is what one is used to, you can predict the amount of healing needed, you know someone(s) have your back, but there is still enough challenge to keep it exciting. 🙂 Then boom, you don’t have as much backup, your mana strains, and what worked in the past is no longer working.
I completely understand the “if it aint broke, don’t fix it idea” but if it aint working for a fight may need to change something. For some fight you can brute force it but others you cannot.
Looking at the rebuttal to Murloc Parliament – screaming monkies – where if you can 2 heal things, why not? Also the DPS can be doing all they can etc why not bring something to edge it over. However, bringing in someone who may not be used to a DPS OS maybe more of a hinderence then a help. They may mess up mechanics etc. (lol like i did on Baleroc – see 2 healing baleroc – also with 9 people I messed up quite a few crystal soaks)
Now I am not sure which strat they are exactly using, but both ideologies have there flaws and pros.
2 healing – more DPS, encounter ends faster. But allows for fewer mistakes. DPS have to avoid everything they can dmg wise.
3 healing – more room for error. Fights will take longer, poss might hit an enrage timer.
Ok here is my entry to Looking for More! All i gotta say…MS paint is win.
No this is not about the eternal struggle of good vs evil.
This is about changing gears from healing to DPS or DPS to healing.
In Shadow Rising – I heal as a priest (either with AA/A or no AA/A spec) – Liyhe
In Crits and Giggles – I raid as a mage of the furry kind. /sniff sniff sniff – Velineda
Going between the two roles can be a bit disorienting at times, cause I find myself looking for bubble/ice block/invis at times lol.
However, knowing the fights does help the confusion a bit but does not make it any easier biting at the bit.
T11 – for me being the priest vs the mage is no real issue as the fights (with the nerf) are very forgiving and can faceroll them….111111111111111111 – 2 – 11111111111 (arcane mage rotation in a nutshell lol)
T12 – not knowing the fights in and out, will punish you and your raid.
Liyhe – for our normal 10 we will 2 heal this fight. Kerick will stay on the Shannox tank for the whole encounter for the most part. I will watch the Riplimb tank – for the most part the bubbles to all the work, so I can help the Shannox tank with bubbles and PoH/spot heal the raid.
Raid has to be aware of the placement to avoid the bad. Secondly, tanks will have to watch the distance between the two, so the healers can watch each other’s back and also to prevent the dogs from gaining the Wary Determination buff. When the 1st dog dies (aka rageface) – pay a little more attention to Shannox tank. When 2nd dog dies – pump heals into the Shannox tank. Pop appropriate cooldown and hope DPS can avoid bad.
Velineda – for the most part healing and DPS will have to do the same. Avoid bad. DPS has the added task of blowing up Rageface – especially when he is faceraging. More then likely he will then rage onto me, Addoe, or magefriend. If it is me, I try to pop Iceblock to mitigate dmg, if it is down, popping Lifeblood, and Manashield.
As heals it really depends if i am on group duty or web duty.
If it is Web Duty – bubble, PoM the tank before they hop up. Then I jump on myself. Once on the web. Binding heal as needed the tank and DPS up there. Avoid bad. Jump back down and rince and repeat.
Ground duty – PoH, Pom, smite the adds if AA spec. Yell at people to get spinners down lol.
For p2 – stack on the bosses rear. if AA spec – build up stacks and save for later in the fight. PW:Barrier around in the 30% range. And Heal heal heal.
As DPS, the spider is a lot easier on the ol’ brain – pew pew pew….don’t die from stupid. If i can I will try to use CD to help out the healing where I can.
As heals, it’s the same as being a DPS – avoid bad. More bad means more heals and stress. But as a healer – heal the raid…and if people are doing what they are supposed to, dmg is actually quite light since the nerf. PoH, PoM, bubble as needed before p2 is all that is really needed. If you are AA/A spec, smiting the Spark of Rhyolith makes it easy.
As DPS – it’s as i stated above – avoid BAD! Kill adds – bring adds to tank as you can. DPS the boss in p2.
As p2 healing – tell people to stack – BW:awesome. win…p2 should not last any more then a few seconds. Heal the hell out of the raid and win.
As p2 DPS – stack for AoE heals – pew pew pew.
As heals – oh boy….for this fight, for the most part do not worry about your mana pool. Heal like it’s 1999 – go for the gold. Your goal is to keep your assigned tank alive. Make sure to get 1 feather to be able to heal on the run. (I found for this fight AA/A spec is nice) Smite the bird and a free heal for the tank. Watch your tanks debuffs and be aware of where the worms are placed (don’t get singed).
Gushing wound – your tank will take so much dmg for a while till he falls till 50%. watch it and have a big heal lined up.
If it is about to tantram, have an O shit spell ready, and/or CD. If not, I spam FH, penance, bubble.
Another thing to watch for as a healer is if for some reason the adds in p1 get a spell off..make sure to dispel the debuff….it hurts a lot.
p1 your raid will have to execute to make it past easily. Most of your focus has to be on the tank, not them (other healer, DPS). Your raid must execute for your to do your job.
p2 – simple if the hatchlings are not dead by this time – it’s a wipe. If you raid cannot dance – it’s a wipe. Dmg in p2 from tornados is really not healable. So don’t let it stress you when someone dies here.
p3 – yay! Hit that evil bird and get some mana back. take a breather. Once again your raid will need to execute – make sure they interrupt the add’s channel. VERY IMPORTANT. At 50% she will get back up and pulse 5-7k a sec. Not too bad. Except she hits the tanks like a truck as well. So the raid will need to stack up behind her, as she cleaves. Use AoE heals and direct heals on the tanks. Pop what cooldowns you have at about 75 energy. At this point the other tank should taunt off the 1st tank. The 1st tank should then pop what raid cooldown that they may have as well. You just need to make sure everyone has more then 50k when she reaches 100 energy, as she wil pulse a 50K at that point.
As this point it’s a repeat of the same phases over and over again till you or the raid is dead.
As DPS – it’s going to be the same as the other fights – kill your add and interrupt, avoid bad. Put dmg on the Hatchling – time permitting.
If you are flying – avoid bad. Play Starfox and pew pew pew. Come down as approp if help is needed on the hatchlings.
p2 – AVOID TORNADOS….
p3 – stack up and use any def cooldown you may have – Iceblock etc etc etc. Then its back to p1 again.
3 healer setup for now.
Vanicus and Zarm on the bubbles, me on the tank for the 1st 2 crystals. After that I swap with Zarm and vanicus and we ride it out. Very little changes on the healing assignments after the 1st 2 crystals. In this case, healers are like DPS in this fight – they must build up a buff ASAP to “DPS” this fight down.
Only thing I may do while healing crystals is I will snipe heals on the tank to activate my Vital flame buff to help out and help out with crystal healing.
As DPS – I find this more difficult then healing…you mean I actually have to move into bad and then out??? ZOMG >< But yeah I find this fight easier as a healer then a DPS. As the roles are so different. Healers and DPS do not share a common theme here. Healers are safe to "pew pew pew" away. While DPS are the one managing the actual mechanic of this fight. If DPS cannot manage stacks and order, forget about this fight.
Never seen this as DPS but from what I can see – it's all about move from bad when you have to. Controling your stacks from flame orbs – see Baleroc, and knowing when to stack and use personal def and off CDs. Kill adds while he is in catform.
As a Healer
We start out in Scorpion Form and take about 8 flame scythes before we force him to change. Time your raid cooldowns as approp. After 4th and before the 5th – Arv will pop Divine Protection or what ever it is called. After 5th and right before the 6th – Cayle pops Anti – Magic Zone. And then before the 7th Aura Mastery from Van. You want to time CD so they can hit 2 of the flame scythes.
For cat – if i recall we take 7 stacks? Again as a healer – avoid bad and heal.
This fight as a healer and a raid is about managing CDs and seeing how much you healers can heal.
Overall, the transition from healing and DPS is odd in the sense of what one has at hand, but at it's vital essence: DPS and healing are the same. AVOID BAD AND KNOWING HOW TO DEAL WITH MECHANICS.
As a DPS you should know when to use what when, it's no different from a healing know which ability to use when.
Your tools are different and abilities are different, but all raiding, really is (be it as heals or DPS): playing to the best of your ability, using the tools at your disposal well, and handling mechanics well.