Basic setup – see link above.
Square is where (liyhe) as Shadow was assigned.
Between me and the Orange healer our lock had placed their portal.
Circle and X is where our 2 healers stood
Triangle is where our hunters stood.
Moon is our Mage.
Boss is where you would normally place them. and our 2 melee DPS were in melee. 😄
What we did is for the 1st crystal, I took the 1st one entirely. I found I was able to stay alive thanks to our healers with calling for AM around 14-15 stacks and eating a cookie and bubble as needed. I popped Dispersion around 19 stacks to ride it out. Then I went back to my square position to wait out the tormented debuff.
Our order for crystals was Me, DK, Mage, Enhancement Shaman, Warlock, Hunter x1. The 2nd hunter was fit in as needed. We found that sticking to our order and using the 2nd hunter as a floater helped out to ease confusion.
After I took the 1st crystal, the DPS went with a 3 person per crystal rotation. With the next person being ready to take the crystal when the other person went. It is important to be close by to take it but not close enough to get the tormented debuff in error. Also we found it is best to always exit in one direction. We chose to leave from the left.
Healers after the 1st crystal were at 90-100+ stacks of the healing buff if i recall. If they cant build that fast, tank was more then likely not going to survive.
Also with the Countdown debuff – if it was a healer picked we made the people move to the healer to allow them to heal still. if it was 2 others, we had them meet in the middle.
Countdown may mess with your rotation on a little, but keep a level head and should be ok. reminder – Tormented is refreshed for both players if spread.
If a healer did get the debuff they needed to communicate to their healer so they could swap if they were on tank duty.
The tank on the 1st crystal will need to stay alive for that crystal solo – so cooldowns and healthstone, pots as needed.
Other then that, the fight is similar to normal. ranged need to get to their spots as best they can to lower the chance of spreading tormented. Heals need to comminicate and we found it best to have one person only to call out the order and the floater as needed. DPS check is quite high, we carely killed him – 2 seconds past enrage, but I know my case I flubbed my rotation – not a shadow priest at heart lol.
That is all from what I recall – not a lot of changes – just need to be more careful to detail and where you move.
What is it about randomness that I dislike.
1.) lack of control over an outcome
2.) no direction
Lack of Control/no direction/chaos
With my personality, I dislike anything that takes control from my hands. I dislike a direction or focus, and choas is never fun when trying to figure things out.
Those three reasons alone make the Rhyolith fight, normal or heroic versions, a real pet peeve. I appreciate Blizzard for their design of the fight, but those reasons alone take away any fun in the fight.
What one can control is the direction he moves and one can predict when the adds will spawn.
Which volcano is active vs inactive is a pain. This is not fun, much like RNG loot drops. Other bosses, which may pick a random player to do something, is not bad and not as annoying, but for some reason the volcano thing really irritates me.
Other fights in firelands so far are designed much better in my opinion. They are some degrees of randomness, which thru player interaction can help overcome it. Walking a giant into volcanoes is freakin annoying. Other boss mechanics which are random are short and not the major drive in the fight. The volcano activating is the entire freakin fight, it’s like fighting a giant slot machine. Randomness is not a good drive in encounter design, and vice versa neither is a fight that is easy to predict everything. Some element of randomness/chaos is needed.
4.3 PTR thoughts
I am not one for looking aroud in there, but reading the thoughts of those who have, I have to say I am positive about the encounters so far. Mixture of scripting and randomness with some uniqueness here and there. One thing I am not positive about is the length of the raid. 7 bosses? This is not enough to keep people entertained, engaged till the next expansion.
With SWTOR right around the corner, Blizzard will want something MORE to keep people engaged. Like others I have spoken to, I would hope Blizzard is planning a Sunwell type raid to keep people in WoW.
With other games on the horizon, WoW will need to do something if it wishes to be the dominant force in the MMO world. It cannot sit on it’s haunches for too long (which I feel EQ did) or change the same to something that people may not want to play (EQ2) . With games ilke SWTOR, GW2, The Secret World, etc. and the whole F2P model Blizzard needs to do something more.
I think Blizzard is doing something good with listening to the player’s wants (like transmog) but they need to do some more quality of life improvements. The transmog idea is really an old idea – games like Aion and LOTRO already have it in some form.
I know Blizzard does not like the idea for some reason but Player/Guild housing would so something to keep people in the game. Keeping people engaged by giving them something to take pride in an develop is a good idea. Endgame characters are more then “purplz”. Having them do quests, maybe PvP or other things to earn points or something to purchase things to decorate or allow them to make trophies of memorable fights would be a nice QOL addition. I know in FFXI, players had a moghouse to decorate and although I was not super crazy about it, I did take pride in at least decorating it. 🙂 It was also cool that SE listened to players and allowed people to invite friend to visit your moghouse.
F2P vs Sub – blizzard really needs to keep WoW somewhat fresh to combat the F2P model. games that have swapped to a F2P model – Age of Conan and LOTRO I have to admit are done quite well. Lots of QOL things to keep casual to hardcore people involved and a non-intrusive cash shop.
WoW needs more QoL additions to it – not just more purplz and raids. MMOs are not a console game, it is an interactive social game, and that is what Blizzard I feel has forgotten when seeing the $$$ signs. Sitting around in Org/SW is not the best way to treat is’s customer base. Also relying on it’s popularity as it being “Warcraft” is getting old for many.
I know when it comes to lore, game mechanics must go beyond lore. What gets me is all the lore they tend to ignore.
Why not do more with faction leaders? Why are they stagnant figureheads….if i wanted that you could hire Waldo for that. Why are there not scenarios designed involving them more? I know there are some not feeling the PvP, but for those that are why not on PvP servers have a daily quest to kill faction leaders? (Could still be on PvE servers as well) Taking it a step further, to make sure the enemies capital is weakened (i.e guards) why not make it if the enemy faction capture certain certification on route to a city the # of guards/their str is weakened/while providing a buff to the attackers? Also design more BG with an empahsis on faction leaders, give them a chance to show their stuff.
Also with lore…why are not more things taken from lore? They are doing some things with the new 5 mans in 4.3, but why not expand upon the titans? Queen Azshara? Hell, I know we are all sick of Trolls – but what about Zandrazi or however one spells that.
As much as I am a horde at heart, where is the alliance love? Why nothing for dranei after BC??? Where is the alliance influence? Specifically on the human front…..I admit when playing the RTS I loved playing the humans. Where is the pride of the humans…why are they hiding behind the flag of SW, there are still some human nations out there, and where is the last heir to Lordaeron? Arthas’ sister? They brought back Gilneas…where are the others…. >< SW cannot expect to be the last bastion of humanity, there were so many other ones out there.
And most importantly – USE high overlord Saurfang more! He is much more badass then Garrosh. I understand the need for him, but he is nothing like what I imagined the “true” orcs from Nagrand would be. Sure they are more primitive etc, but they are not warmongering fools….
I am not for bringing back Thrall as Warchief – he did what he had to but is more of a character to bring about bigger things for Azeroth, but I am not sure Garrosh is quite right. Likewise, develop someone for the Alliance to along the lines like Thrall. Varian could have done it, but is too much like Garrosh, Jaina is too whiny, Greymane too old etc. The Alliance really needs a big personalilty that could draw the alliance together like thrall did for the horde. The alliance is too much disjointed to make a real push against the horde if all out war happened. The Alliance is too full of distrust with one another IMO, and again they do not have a shining star to say like Thrall.
Again WoW suffers from too much biasness, much like Warhammer did imo.
But enough rambling – H Rhyolith going down tonight!
Nerfs, now this is not going to be about normal nerfs you can read about that all over the place.
But Shadow Rising is now 7/7 big mean old fire dude is “dead” onto Heroics!
Now even the Firelands Heroics have gotten about a 15% nerf, even nerfed they are a decent enough challenge still, because Normal Firelands is a zzzzzzzzz fest. (exception being rag). If you are not handling mechanics prepare to have a large repair bill!
1st Heroic tried – Shannon errrr Shannox
A few things Repgrind mentioned a few. The damage he deals is quite a bit more, but nothing that couldn’t be healed.
The issues that arose was the handling of the stacks. Each hit that rageface deals increases his damage by quite a bit, this is a the new to the heroic version of the fight. Like in normal, tanks still have to deal with jagged tear.
Borrowing an idea from Khizzara we had the raid line up much like they did and had the raid move as a whole when needed. It took 9 wipes, killed on the 10th pull, but each for the most part was improvement.
It really just took getting used to resetting stacks and having the raid move. Also important is the “rageface” kiters be on their toes. Also one thing to note, if your riplimb tank needs a breather, burn Riplimb down, by the time your raid may want to he will be at 50% around 2mil HP from 4 mil. It will allow your healers 30 seconds of not having to worry about that tank too much and 30 seconds that your tank can even help hitting Shannox lol. Having only one tank to worry about resetting jagged tear can help out a lot. Also for 30 seconds or so all the traps can be used on Rageface.
SR rules! Awesome job on Shannon. Too bad he dropped bad loot!
Then we went and facerolled Beth’tilac, Alyzrazor. We did put a few shots on heroic Rhyolith just to see how it is. To be honest it is not that bad, he is next.
But for tonight on the agenda is Heroic Baleroc and Majordomo.
Differences between normal and heroic – watch out as you can pass tormented onto other players. 2nd he can also cast countdown on 2 random people, if they do not come within 4 yds of one another – boom goes the raid. What sucks about this is the 2 people chosen and one of them has the tormented debuff and/or are soaking a crystal. Also of note, he has increased HP and still the very short 6 min enrage timer. Appears with 7 DPS – each DPS will need to average about 22.5K DPS + 6K from the tank (thanks adoe for the maths!) Looks like fun, according to Adoe….
Majordomo – I think we will try the no flame scythes and all cats strat. This will entail on all DPS avoiding as much damage as they can to keep concentration high. It seems easy on paper but having to deal with the flame orbs will be the main issue. People will need to not stack directly close/on the orb so if they have to leave from getting a leap, the fire is not on the orb, so someone can still get close and soak it.
Even nerfed, heroics can still provide some challenge, probably not as much as prenerf, but for now I will take them over the “lootship” normal firelands fights (minus rag :P)
First off my beloved priests, our T13. I am not sure about it. I really like T12 so far. T13 reminds me of Holloween and mardi gras. Well with Transmog, it’s a moot point.
The bonuses for t13:
- Healer, 2P — After using Power Infusion or Lightwell, the mana cost of your healing spells is reduced by 25% for [10|15] sec. (10 sec for Discipline, 15 for non–Discipline.)
- Healer, 4P — Your Power Word: Shield has a 10% chance to absorb 100% additional damage, and the cooldown of your Holy Word abilities is reduced by 20%.
- Shadow, 2P — Shadow Word: Death deals an additional 55% damage, and you no longer take damage from your own Shadow Word: Death when the target fails to die.
- Shadow, 4P — Your Shadowfiend and Shadowy Apparitions have a 100% chance to grant you 3 Shadow Orbs each time they deal damage.
For healers: I am not sold on the 2P, especially as Holy. But it could be worse. For 4P – one word: blarg.
Shadow definitely wins out here. To be honest I would not be surprised to see it altered in some form before final release.
The changes to Holy for 4.3 are a step in the right direction – the changes to Divine Hymn and the ability to strenthen it and lessen its cooldown is quite nice. Its also nice to see they are fixing atonement to take into account large hitboxes (Beth’Tilac, and Rag made atonement useless)
The changes to Wild Growth were surprising to me.
•Wild Growth healing value has been reduced by 20%.
•Glyph of Wild Growth now also increases the cooldown on Wild Growth by 2 seconds.
Straight up nerf to druids? Why? Sure they are healing beasts, but does not make them seem OP or anything. It’s the player playing the class which makes it’s good, not the class. bad player still means bad druids.
Paladin’s also got some changes – no more mana from judging…they have to use spirit more. Why? Maybe someone can answer this, but are there low spirit paladins out there? (I know as disc i reforged a bunch of it away)
Other things that caught my eye was the new mounts. 🙂
Dancing Darkmoon bear! yes, please!
Also I know I should not have looked at it, but I could not help but look at the dungeon jounrnal preview for the new raid.
A few things caught my eye.
1.) Looks like a lot of damage sharing, so stacking…(SR we are screwed)
2.) Other mechanics where the raid may have to use the boss’ own abilities against it.
3.) Thrall as Earth Warden? not surprised really.
4.) Tyrande of the past…hawt….hopefully they will also make this her in game model. It’s quite impressive looking.
• Shannox, Beth’tilac, Rhyolith – health and damage reduced by 15%.
Did these three…really need anymore nerfing?
• Other bosses – health and damage reduced by 25%.
• All adds’ health and damage have been reduced in the same proportions as bosses.
• Hellhounds and Unstable Magma deal much less damage.
the damage trash put out was quite ridiculous.
• Alysrazor’s Fiery Tornados move slower.
Cool i guess?
• The Wings of Flame buff duration on Alysrazor is now uniformly 30 seconds.
Still hate flying!
• Alysrazor drops 1 additional feather for 10-player mode and 2 additional feathers for 25-player mode in all cycles.
Not really needed…?
• Wrath of Ragnaros in Stage 1 now knocks targets up, but not back.
This is kinda cool, but you really should not be standing in front of a fire trap….
So Firelands…nerfed quite a bit 15-25% Really does take a bite out of the ferocity of the FL…maybe we should call it the Not so Hot Firelands…
But that being said…if you still cannot deal with mechanics…you are still not going to down bosses, no matter the nerf. But to those who can deal with them….well…have those peggle addons installed!
3 new 5 mans…must be done in order the 1st time. Sounds interesting, but will get old.
LFR – meh…this is not going to be pretty.
T13 in raids only – i like the idea, but I dont like how one can still obtain a lower version of it in LFR…looks like the min/maxer I am (when it comes to my priest) may have to jump into the LFR fray!
1.) Are nerfs good for the maintenance and happiness of the overall population in WoW?
Business Slice: Of course it is! Getting the majority of the people to see the content Blizzard has worked on makes perfect business sense. Which will net a company more money? 6-7 million customers or 2-3 “hardcore” players, of course the more casual base will make Blizzard money in the long haul. Without profit Blizzard cannot make improvement/develop more games. It’s all about the benjamins! MONEY MONEY MONEY!
Red Slice: RAWR! REDSLICE SMASH! WTF! WHY ARE THEY NERFING IT MAKES NO SENSE, 4.3 is not even out, or has any concrete information etc. Why are they caving into the whiners and baddies? Why even make a game and make it so easy? With the nerfs it may even make the most casual of player go…why am I playing a game this easy? This makes Hello Kitty Online seem more difficult. 4.2 have been out only for a few months, it only has 7 bosses, why make it so laughable that it can now be cleared by a new group in a week or 2 at most? /smash! WTH are they passing out epix 2 every1?
Slice: It would make more sense to have a balance of the two. They really should take a good look at what is over tuned and also what maybe under tuned and fix as appropriate. No real reason as well to nerf Heroic modes, those should remain as the pinnacle of raiding. Only the best of the best should be able to tackle those. Give the general player base the normal modes, and the heroics to the “hardcore”. Give them each a playground to play in. A flat nerf to the content in general is silly – make the players get a gradual buff (like in Icecrown Citadel) this allows for some mistakes to be made, but does not trivialize the content totally, this in coordination with appropriate hotfixes of mechanics that are under tuned and over tuned.
However by nerfing stuff by this degree so far from the 4.3 patch…I hope it does not cause a backlash that they will nerf 4.3 so quickly cause, “it’s too hard!”
2.)Should I cancel my sub and wait for DW/4.3?
Business Slice: No! Give me your money errr to Blizzard. You need your WoW crack no?
Red Slice: Yeah that will teach them to nerf stuff that doesn’t need it! “/grumbles” Freakin casuals!
Slice: Each individual should decide if they wish to play right now or wait. Use your brain and make your own decision.
Business Slice: $$$ more ways to keep people attached to an older game! Good idea to pull at people’s heartstrings.
Red Slice: Old content? LOL…why go back there? It’s not relavent. Why waste time on old raid when you can raid current content or cap VP? Old cheevs? Only ones that matter are ones that are current and give you mounts that are current!
Slice: Yay for clothes! Barbie time?
All: HELL YEAH!
2 healing is it a punishment for a job well done?
At times it does feel like it is…and I can understand that. You get thru the encounter for the 1st time 3 healing it, that is what one is used to, you can predict the amount of healing needed, you know someone(s) have your back, but there is still enough challenge to keep it exciting. 🙂 Then boom, you don’t have as much backup, your mana strains, and what worked in the past is no longer working.
I completely understand the “if it aint broke, don’t fix it idea” but if it aint working for a fight may need to change something. For some fight you can brute force it but others you cannot.
Looking at the rebuttal to Murloc Parliament – screaming monkies – where if you can 2 heal things, why not? Also the DPS can be doing all they can etc why not bring something to edge it over. However, bringing in someone who may not be used to a DPS OS maybe more of a hinderence then a help. They may mess up mechanics etc. (lol like i did on Baleroc – see 2 healing baleroc – also with 9 people I messed up quite a few crystal soaks)
Now I am not sure which strat they are exactly using, but both ideologies have there flaws and pros.
2 healing – more DPS, encounter ends faster. But allows for fewer mistakes. DPS have to avoid everything they can dmg wise.
3 healing – more room for error. Fights will take longer, poss might hit an enrage timer.